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It's a backwards step in the timesheet function, and it's over a year old. Obviously people are raising it as an issue over and over again.
It seems like Xero thinks this is a 'product idea' rather than a serious functionality problem that needs fixing. I guess it's not on the agenda if it's being hand-balled to boards like this to be resolved.

That is really frustrating that Xero would not allow this functionality!!!! Whoever changed the timesheets to be able to enter start and finish times and then not be able to select different payroll categories is absolutely absurd they need the sack seriously that is just rediculous!!!

@Emma (Accounts) Rosenblatt,

For employees on a wage covered by an award (e.g. SCHADS), they are meant to receive a reportable per-km allowance for mileage (see attached), rather than being compensated via an expense claim, such as an office worker would. It would definitely be useful for Xero to offer both. I currently have to manually add allowances each week for sleepover allowance and motor vehicle use, which is very frustrating.

Hi @Jenny Peet. I believe Xero wont add mileage claims to timesheets because this is already a feature in Xero Expenses. If you purchase the Xero expenses add-on the mileage claim is really easy to use :) The option also appears in the Xero Me app once you have Xero Expenses

Related to this - I would like the ability for employees to enter mileage claims (in km) in their timesheets. Given it's not an hourly rate it doesn't let them enter this and I have to do it manually

Please automate this more. If an employee is full time and they work 8 days Mon-Thurs and 6 on Friday you should be able to tell the system what are ordinary hours and then from there any additional hours should be allocated to the 'correct' overtime rate. The employee should not be selecting what overtime rate. They ALWAYS get it wrong...

Important, but better still, make it automatic, so the employee is not picking what overtime rates he gets. by default, based on a weekly set roster, the system determines what is ordinary time and what is overtime (time and a half, double, and public holidays)

The "Start and End Times" timesheet type is great and long overdue, but it's unusable for anyone on an award wage, as they need to be able to select non-Ordinary Hours, add travel time, etc.

This feature is desperately needed.

Agreed,
Also agree with Joanne EGGINS - employees cannot capture breaks during time worked resulting in overstatement of hours worked

Retail industry and also hospitality require this urgently

Also the ability to customise timesheet reports to coincide with the timesheet pay period. E.g. our staff timesheets are from Thursday to Wednesday yet when I export the timesheet details report it runs from Monday - Sunday

This is incredibly important to have an option to include a Saturday penalty rate as a multiple of ordinary earnings rather than having to manually update this. Please update this feature.

@Rachael, nothing to stop them at all. I've had it happen several times before I realised it was possible.

With over 50+ employees, I don't want them to access other pay rates except those on their template.

What is to stop someone changing their rate from level 1 to level 2 without me noticing it?

It's important as we have staff that need to select a Saturday rate (1.5x org) but cannot at the moment.

Otherwise this feature is brilliant.

Disappointing that the addition of appropriate functionality has resulted in the loss of other appropriate functionality. It makes the app extremely difficult to use for an employee who works at two different places each employing the different method for timesheeting.
I also agree with Sarah that earning rates available for selection should be limited to those on the employee's pay template.

I support this as need the functionality as I have employees that need to add oncall and overtime.
prior to start stop times the client was looking at an additional app for this functionality
I have now had to go back to them and ask what they would like to do. Lets make it easy for all of us out there

Yes, this and many other enhancements are needed to bring Xero up to par with other programs and thus alleviating third party programs.

I have put in place an interim solution where I use the "Type of Units (e.g. Hours)" in the Earnings Rate Set Up to be a consistent (eg. CAS.MULTI<12M)
This field seems to be the one that bunches the Earning Rates together in the timesheets
So I have all related other rates, for that Classification quoting the name "CAS.MULTI<12M" Type of Units and have updated the Earnings/Display Name to include "per hour" instead
As long as you have the employee set up with one of the rates of the same Type of Units, then all related pay rate options will appear in their timesheets
Means there are some duplicated rates if paid the same across all classifications, but they are distinguished by the Type of Units field, so it flows through to the relevant timesheet of the employee of that classification
Screen shot of the Earnings Rate and timesheet examples attached that this has worked for

Thanks Sarah - I totally back this
I can't figure out how Xero is deciding which pay rates the staff can access either, as they can only randomly select some, not all
Casuals can even select Part Time rates, which completely baffles me
Would be much more logical to either:
1. allocate all relevant pay rates to each employee in their profile
2. restrict at group level (eg Casual Level 4) which employees access what rates