Manual Journal - Ability to set default for 'Show journal on cash basis reports'
Ability to set as default whether the "Show journal on cash basis reports" should be ticked or un-ticked on manual journals
Purpose: Because accountants that does the annual journals for clients who do their own GST we don't usually want these journals to show the late GST claims
Hi team! We've been following the conversation here and appreciate you taking the time to explain the need for this feature.
We understand you’re looking for a way to change the default setting for the ‘Show journal on cash basis reports’ checkbox in manual journals, so that it’s unticked, and that having this box ticked by default can create inaccurate cash basis reports, which is particularly challenging when you’re correcting entries or dealing with a high volume of journals.
We may look into this with a finer lens further down the line, but want to share that there's no immediate works planned to enable changing the default for whether a journal is Cash basis.
As many of you have noted, right now you'll need to manually untick the box for each journal entry.
If any change is planned for this we'll be sure to share with you all, here.
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Jennifer Rodrigues
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I can't use some Xero tools because of this default on journal creation. Why it was ever set up that way is ridiculous.
Please please please fix this.
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Michael Macrides
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Kelly, this is a HUGE headache - it causes all sort of issues. Please listen to your users, canvass 20 customers who manage larger transaction flows or multiple clients. Ask them why it matters if this forum isn't enough to convince you.
It's really simple, it just needs the default to change. It's a 1/0, binary setting. It'll take a developer no time, or give it to Claude...10s and done. The release note will take more time than the fix.
It's such an easy win. Not glamorous, but all the accountants will thank you for it. And they'll have more time with their families, or passing more journals, or whatever.
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Lachlan Keddie
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Manual Journals defaulting to Cash makes zero sense for a professional accounting platform. Most journals are, by definition, accruals.
As a Senior Accounts Manager overseeing multiple entities, this is currently a huge headache, especially not having the ability to mass-edit or recode these entries means I’m losing hours manually editing individual journals one by one.
This is a basic feature that has significant implications to the integrity of the accounts.
We need the ability to set the default basis by organisation.
We need the ability to mass edit these Journals. -
Jake Dight
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Hi Team, just wanted to further emphasize that this feature change is highly desired and would make a massive difference to our small business.
At present cash summary reports are inaccurate and taking a lot of work to rectify.
Please prioritize making the checkbox unticked by default or provide a custom preference for the journals to post on an accrual basis. Thanks in advance
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Alexander Choe
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It's shocking that something so fundamental has been outstanding for approaching half a decade. They couldn't find a single programmer to swap the default state of a tick box, but they're happy to thrash out this new liquid glass eyesore. Software for Small Businesses TM, especially if you despise your accountants
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Anthony Allan
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crazy default!
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Marion Moore
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It seems so bizarre that the default is for journals to show up on cash basis reports. It's so hard to remember to turn this off every single time I post a journal, and if I don't then my cash reports don't work properly. At least allow users a default choice please!
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Michael Macrides
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This causes so much confusion AND is such an easy fix. Come on Xero.
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Kenneth Rocke
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This is a ridiculous default setting. A manual journal will likely never be a cash item. Is Xero designed by accountants for accountants? Sometimes I doubt it...!
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Tara Lennie
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Agree with all comments made prior - manual journals are mainly used by accountants to be on an accruals basis. It does makes cash summary report hard to use/more time consuming having to fix journals to untick cash basis due to default.
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Vincent Ardern
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Not a financial advisor etc, but I imagine the Xero stock price would have its biggest single day rise in 15 years if they fixed this issue. It would indicate that the product team understands what accountants actually need.
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Sarah Thompson
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If you can make the software default for it to be ticked, is it not possible for the box to be unticked by default and then ticked by the user if it is required? this would make the cash reports more useful for many more people. Thank you
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Sarah Thompson
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Having to remember to untick the box every time a manual journal is posted is frustrating, as manual journals are generally not cash based.
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Jan Singleton
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Yes for me the Statement of Cash Flows is basically a useless feature as it includes journals which in our case we would very very rarely use a journal to provide a cash entry.
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Jennifer Rodrigues
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Xero - PLEASE listen to what we are saying! Rob Schmitt has made it very clear. I cannot rely on any cash-based reporting that Xero claims to provide.
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Emma Harrison
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Well said Rudi.
One minor change will make a considerable improvement -
Rob Schmitt
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Kelly - I believe the Xero Product team may have misunderstood the issue.
The core problem is that cash reports are inaccurate because imported journals are being included - even though this is almost never required. This prevents users from accurately relying on Xero’s cash reporting features and undermines valuable existing functionality.
This affects a material part of your product, yet the fix is simple: change the default so that “Show journal on cash basis reports” is unticked by default — which is correct 99% of the time. It’s extremely rare to journal a cash transaction - that’s what bank feeds are for.
You don’t need to make this a configurable default; just change it centrally. Doing so would instantly improve accuracy and make your entire user base happier. The only reason you haven’t heard more complaints is likely because many users simply don’t realise their cash reporting is wrong.
Implementing this small change would resolve the issue for most users and remove unnecessary frustration. Please reconsider.
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Leanne Gillies
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Unfortunately, this response demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of what a manual journal actually is. In no way should entries on Xero made on a manual journal be reported on a cash report. I hope this decision is reviewed and reversed, preferably by a team that includes some qualified accountants.
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Rob Schmitt
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This response is unreasonable and nonsensical. This is a clear product issue that undermines the accuracy of cash reporting and is more important than introducing new features. Our use of journals for revenue recognition, given that Xero does not support this either, creates a significant problem for us and many others. If Xero’s staff had a better understanding of their clients and the broader impact on other features, they would prioritise resolving this issue immediately - wake up...
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Abigail Bruwer
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It looks great but essentially Xero's cash means nothing to us as long as journals automatically posting come through with the cash tick on, which discounts Xero's information significantly. This is an urgent essential upgrade Xero is behind on.